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Ground temp

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6719jason
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Weather Station: La-Crosse WS3502
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Re: Ground temp

Post by 6719jason »

Mine is inline with Met Office Guidelines (Thanks to Beteljuice) at 1.5m above Ground Level.
Anno is around 10m above Ground Level.
Rain Bucket is on Flat Surface around 5m above Ground Level (Not recommended but due to Location and Wiring).

I think I did read somewhere, that When the air is 2.8C the Ground is 0.0C. So, you could in theory use a formula based script where, when Temp is (Whatever) subtract 2.8 and output is Ground Temp (Whatever Temp is -2.8C) - So in short -- <#temp> - 2.8 = <#groundtemp>
6719jason
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Re: Ground temp

Post by 6719jason »

An example of a PHP Solution:

Ground Temperature: <?php $sum_total=$temp-2.8; print(sum_total); print ($tempunit); ?>

An example of a JavaScript Solution:

Will be available very soon :D

Enjoy :D
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beteljuice
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Re: Ground temp

Post by beteljuice »

Warning - Danger Will Robinson !

That is a very rough approximation for a gauge at 'standard' height, above grass, and clear night temperatures

Any and every site will be different, and will be affected by cloud cover.
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6719jason
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Re: Ground temp

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beteljuice wrote:Warning - Danger Will Robinson !

That is a very rough approximation for a gauge at 'standard' height, above grass, and clear night temperatures

Any and every site will be different, and will be affected by cloud cover.
Ah yes -- Thank you Beteljuice for the 'Heads Up' :)

As Beteljuice has said, The -2.8C Approximation & My Php Script is 'Very Rough' and depends on a number of Variables - Clear Night, Temperature Sensor Height and Site.

Hopefully through this MAYBE we can come up with SOMETHING but the real answer is a Purpose Built Device.
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beteljuice
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Re: Ground temp

Post by beteljuice »

It is a VERY complicated subject, all to do with thermal dynamics, boundary layers etc.etc.

.. and the rules change for eg. lying snow (like now) and even more devious for permafrost !

However, under 'normal' cold / frost a good general explanation (and pointing the difference reverses in daylight) is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/u ... rost.shtml
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TNETWeather

Re: Ground temp

Post by TNETWeather »

I wouldn't worry about the differences...

You do the best you can do with the equipment and sitting you have available.

It is likely more important that you maintain the same configuration and location so that you have good relative data from day to day, month to month over the seasons that you can compare like type settings when the year rolls around.

Many "Official" sites are not what one would consider perfect sitting locations (like over concrete for example) but they are the same as they have been for years and are the record of that area.

You might find that the accuracy of your instrument isn't within the difference anyway.
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