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andro700 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:15 pm

Sorry to hear that. I like the GUI of it. Plus I am running the latest 1.89 beta on TCP and working just great as well. I have not been on in a while. New job and a lot going on right now.

Chuck

Pococurante · **Posted:** Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:30 pm

steve wrote:

Ok, thanks. Bear in mind that Cumulus 2 is currently sort of shelved. Um... maybe.

You have quite a few .NET devs following your work. Please re-consider open source or perhaps a relationship with a shop where you retain the IP. Yours is easily the most effective / flexible package out there and deserves to be known to more hobbyists. Thanks Steve.

steve · **Posted:** Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:42 pm

I can't open source Cumulus 2; the Telerik licence doesn't allow it. It's possible that I may make Cumulus 1 open source one day.

Don't tell anyone I said this, but I'm dithering yet again about the future of Cumulus 2. The 'facelift' of Cumulus 1 that I've been working on instead (which involves turning it into a .NET application) isn't proving anywhere near as straightforward as I naively imagined it would be.

Pococurante · **Posted:** Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:02 pm

I admit I've personally found WPF tedious, as much as I want to support declarative programming. Nevertheless I've been staffing up on WPF devs for recent contracts. It is definitely going to replace traditional wire ups. And WPF SEOs very well (SEM is my core business).

I swore off the Telerik controls some years back not just because they were pricey but also terrible resource hogs. I understand the current version is lighter on the user's system.

Maybe a good step is extract the Cumulus core to a Windows service and then publish an API? Then we the community could do the UI work for you.

steve · **Posted:** Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:08 pm

Pococurante wrote:

I swore off the Telerik controls some years back not just because they were pricey but also terrible resource hogs. I understand the current version is lighter on the user's system.

They're still a bit resource hungry (not that I can really compare to anything similar).

Quote:

Maybe a good step is extract the Cumulus core to a Windows service and then publish an API? Then we the community could do the UI work for you.

This is pretty much what I was in the middle of when I switched track to Cumulus 1.9, and which I will probably now go back to. I'm using WCF, so I believe this will enable me to publish the API so anyone will be able to write their own UI - using SOAP? I have to admit this is all new to me, so I'm still learning as I go. I'll probably still produce my own UI application, since I have a lot of the code written anyway from the current Cumulus 2 version.

Pococurante · **Posted:** Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:36 pm

I recommend ignoring SOAP, instead going with a WCF REST service advertising both jQuery and simple XML. It's ideal for your app since all you're doing is broadcasting state change from a hub much like classic stock ticker. You don't need the massive overhead of a soap packet since you don't need B2B enterprise-class message security / routing / attribute-translation, nor do you need transaction-like updates back to the hub.

As in all things WCF start with Rick Stahl. His reputation is deserved.
http://www.west-wind.com/weblog/posts/324917.aspx

SOAP is a dinosaur that needs a comet cleaning... :bash:

steve · **Posted:** Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:54 pm

Pococurante wrote:

I recommend ignoring SOAP

That's what I was doing, really. I know absolutely nothing about SOAP. I'm just using WCF. I thought that meant that someone could then access it using SOAP without me having to do anything. I'll do some reading up...

steve · **Posted:** Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:17 am

steve wrote:

Don't tell anyone I said this, but I'm dithering yet again about the future of Cumulus 2.

Please note that this information is very old and Cumulus 2 is now very much back on track. See more recent posts in the Cumulus 2 topic for the latest news.

gemini06720 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:34 am

steve wrote:

I can't open source Cumulus 2; the Telerik licence doesn't allow it. It's possible that I may make Cumulus 1 open source one day.

Steve I know the quote is old (March 18) but I was wondering if there was a way for you to move the Telerik stuff out of Cumulus (such as in a separate module/package) and possibly go open source with Cumulus 2 - please excuse my ignorance as I do not know anything about software programming... :oops:

steve · **Posted:** Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:42 am

gemini06720 wrote:

Steve I know the quote is old (March 18) but I was wondering if there was a way for you to move the Telerik stuff out of Cumulus (such as in a separate module/package) and possibly go open source with Cumulus 2 - please excuse my ignorance as I do not know anything about software programming... :oops:

I've been trying to think of ways to do something like this, so that others could help with the development. The "engine" part would seem to be an ideal candidate for this, as it has no GUI, but even that will be using the Telerik components to generate graphs etc for uploading to the web. But if I can think of a way of separating it which doesn't violate the Telerik licence, I'll consider it.

gemini06720 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:43 pm

How about making the Telerik components a plugin or an extension (such as with Firefox)?

steve · **Posted:** Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:15 pm

gemini06720 wrote:

How about making the Telerik components a plugin or an extension (such as with Firefox)?

For the engine, that sort of thing would be possible, yes. The (internet) graphs could be a separate .NET assembly. I will think about it.

gemini06720 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:08 am

steve wrote:

gemini06720 wrote:

How about making the Telerik components a plugin or an extension (such as with Firefox)?

For the engine, that sort of thing would be possible, yes. The (internet) graphs could be a separate .NET assembly. I will think about it.

And such a 'plugin' could be available for a certain fee (and not donation-ware) to help you recuperate your investments into the Telerik components...

gwmbox · **Posted:** Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:12 pm

Is the first post updated with a link to the latest build? Or is a newer build available? Do you have nightly builds?

Can I ask what time frame you expect for version 2 to be released?

I hope my questions are not too annoying

Cheers

GW

steve · **Posted:** Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:25 pm

The download link is on the downloads page. I am not currently working on Cumulus 2, and if I were I wouldn't have nightly builds; I do this in my spare time, and I make new versions available when I think it's a good time to do so. There are no time scales.

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