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 Post subject: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:17 am 
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Hi.
Over the past year and over the various versions, I noticed there is a problem with my location forecast.
Every time I get a wrong weather forecast.
For example today I got rainy forcast but the temperature is: 33 ºC, pressure: 1007 steady and hum is: 68%.
my location is : Israel.
Attached file: station location setup.
I'd appreciate your help in solving the problem.
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Amit


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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:29 am 
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Location: Sanday, Orkney
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Have you read this? http://wiki.sandaysoft.com/a/FAQ#Cumulus_got_the_forecast_wrong.21

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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:43 am 
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Hi Steve.
I read it just now.
However, for the last year the forecast was hardly even close to reality.
Maybe could you add an option to get forecast from weather site, without using this method?
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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:52 am 
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perlamit wrote:
Maybe could you add an option to get forecast another weather site?
No, I don't think so, sorry. If the Zambretti forecast doesn't work for your location (and adjusting the pressure settings doesn't help), then the best I can suggest is to turn it off. Have you tried adjusting the pressure settings?

Cumulus reads and processes data from your weather station; I don't want to start adding all kinds of options that are nothing to do with your weather station, there is other software available if you want software that tries to do everything. If you want a forecast from the internet, use your browser (or add code to your web site to get a forecast from elsewhere, quite a few people have done that).

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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:55 pm 
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My barometer is set and calibrated.
I'm sure you've checked the algorithm.
So I don't have many options.
How can I turn it off?


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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:07 pm 
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perlamit wrote:
My barometer is set and calibrated.

Yes, but what pressure extremes have you set? The defaults may not be suitable for your latitude. But beteljuice knows more about this than I do.

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I'm sure you've checked the algorithm.

I don't even know how it works. If you want to check the Cumulus forecast against the original, you can use this: http://www.dickie.webfusion.co.uk/zambretti/forecast.html - the code in Cumulus is just a translation/port of the javascript that beteljuice wrote for that page. You can also use it to experiment with your pressure extremes and see what effect it has.

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How can I turn it off?

In the station settings. In the same place where you configure the pressure extremes.

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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:44 pm 
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Ok thank you Steve.


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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:36 pm 
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So what are the pressure extreme settings (in the Forecast section in the station settings) ?
And do you have the correct unit checked for THAT range (Unit is for forecast range ONLY and is independent of everything else in Cumulus)

Although 1007 hpa in UK would be a possibility of showers.

Look for your All Time Record high and low pressures, then set the range to a bit higher / lower than those. Hopefully that will make the forecast more valid for you location, however; The less spread of the range the more 'twitchy' the forecast will become as less change can decide a different forecast.

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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:53 pm 
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Location: Israel
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The extreme pressure in my station is: 1026.7 hpa - 997.8 hpa.
I tried to change the station extream range - ineffectually.
I was told at weather forum that Israel have a relatively low pressure in summer and that devices automatically translate such values ​​as they relate to rain only because the they using absolute pressure values.
Nevertheless, what is your recommendation to me about range?
About the "unit", do you mean hpa\mb\in?


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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:41 pm 
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I was told at weather forum that Israel have a relatively low pressure in summer and that devices automatically translate such values ​​as they relate to rain ...

That rather changes things :lol:

So you have 3 options:
    1/ Make the forecast correct for Summer
    2/ Make the forecast correct for Winter
    3/ Change your 'Range' values every Summer / Winter

Try dropping your upper extreme to 1010 (hpa/mb), you will have to do some research on 'normal' pressure ranges for your location for Summer AND for Winter rather than using All Time values, you will also have to determine (roughly) when these periods begin (although the forecaster makes its own assumptions, it may have to be rewritten to be more flexible with apparent Climate Change)

Sorry there is no easy answer - that's the weather for you :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:09 pm 
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Thank you Beteljuice I will try to do it ;)


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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:21 am 
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This is an old thread, but since im in kind of the same boat i thought i´d ask what the end result was of changing the extreme values ? Did the forecasts improve during summer time ?


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 Post subject: Re: buid 1003 - Forecast problem
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 6:28 am 
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Unfortunately, no change. Summer and winter, the weather forecast was presented was not related to reality.
I changed a number of areas, the number of times and nothing helped.
In the end I took it off my home page option.


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