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Extra sensors
- steve
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Extra sensors
I'm investigating adding support for extra Davis sensors. I propose that initially there will be a separate window which displays the current values, and a separate log file 'parallel' to the 'monthly' log files which simply logs the current values at the same interval as the 'normal' logging. At some point in the future I may do something with the values (e.g. highs and lows, graphs etc).
I'm a little confused by how many of each type of sensor I need to cater for. The Davis DLL allows me to read the following 'live' data:
7 extra temp, 7 extra humidity, 4 soil moisture, 4 soil temp, 2 leaf wetness, 2 leaf temp
But the logger entries have:
3 extra temp, 2 extra humidity, 4 soil moisture, 4 soil temp, 2 leaf wetness, 2 leaf temp
So there's a discrepancy in the number of extra temp and humidity sensors. Does anyone know how many I actually need to cater for? If it's more than the number in the logger entries, then there will be gaps in the data for those sensors which aren't in the logger entries (if you don't run software 24/7)?
I will probably incorporate support for additional sensors for Oregon Scientific stations, and I think I need to go up to 10 extra temp and humidity sensors for those anyway. But I'd still like to understand the situation with the Davis sensors.
I'm a little confused by how many of each type of sensor I need to cater for. The Davis DLL allows me to read the following 'live' data:
7 extra temp, 7 extra humidity, 4 soil moisture, 4 soil temp, 2 leaf wetness, 2 leaf temp
But the logger entries have:
3 extra temp, 2 extra humidity, 4 soil moisture, 4 soil temp, 2 leaf wetness, 2 leaf temp
So there's a discrepancy in the number of extra temp and humidity sensors. Does anyone know how many I actually need to cater for? If it's more than the number in the logger entries, then there will be gaps in the data for those sensors which aren't in the logger entries (if you don't run software 24/7)?
I will probably incorporate support for additional sensors for Oregon Scientific stations, and I think I need to go up to 10 extra temp and humidity sensors for those anyway. But I'd still like to understand the situation with the Davis sensors.
Steve
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Re: Extra sensors
Hi Steve,steve wrote:I'm investigating adding support for extra Davis sensors. I propose that initially there will be a separate window which displays the current values, and a separate log file 'parallel' to the 'monthly' log files which simply logs the current values at the same interval as the 'normal' logging. At some point in the future I may do something with the values (e.g. highs and lows, graphs etc).
I'm a little confused by how many of each type of sensor I need to cater for. The Davis DLL allows me to read the following 'live' data:
7 extra temp, 7 extra humidity, 4 soil moisture, 4 soil temp, 2 leaf wetness, 2 leaf temp
But the logger entries have:
3 extra temp, 2 extra humidity, 4 soil moisture, 4 soil temp, 2 leaf wetness, 2 leaf temp
So there's a discrepancy in the number of extra temp and humidity sensors. Does anyone know how many I actually need to cater for? If it's more than the number in the logger entries, then there will be gaps in the data for those sensors which aren't in the logger entries (if you don't run software 24/7)?
I will probably incorporate support for additional sensors for Oregon Scientific stations, and I think I need to go up to 10 extra temp and humidity sensors for those anyway. But I'd still like to understand the situation with the Davis sensors.
Not enough to do this week? lol
My lady and I are planning on adding a couple of sensors for the garden and back yard areas next year, and maybe an extra annemometer up at our house, instead of down on the valley floor...other than that, I can't imagine anyone needing more than what the logger is handling unless they were 'commercial'...
As far as what the DLL allows, I've never owned anything, that I know of, to read them puppies...Wouldn't anything past what the logger shows be fodder for a money making piece of software, *commercial growers*?
As far as display, a secondary window on the software would be fine with a log like you mentioned...If you could include webtags so that I could show my lady on the web, instead of giving her permission to play with my cumulus computer , would be all I would need...
Brad
Re: Extra sensors
I was just about to post asking about displaying the leaf and moisture station, glad I did a search first.
Duke
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Re: Extra sensors
Rewritten for more clarity:
I think it depends on whether we're talking about loop or archive packets. When Davis talk about 'logging' they tend to be referring to archive data. So although the loop data packet formats were designed with space for 8 extra T/H values (and indeed the VP2 console is able to receive and display 8 such values), for some reason - available processing capacity in the loop cycle? - the archive data packets have space only for 2 such xT/H values. The DLL is presumably looking at the loop packets.
I've never really looked at loop packets with 3 or more xT/H transmitters installed. It's conceivable that the data is there for the extra sensors. And even if not, then it's not inconceivable that a future new standard console type, perhaps with a faster CPU or more memory, could have the capability to populate the missing fields in a new archive format.
And then there's also the Envoy8x of course, which does already have the capacity to log 8 T/H sensors, although not in any way that's currently accessible to third-party programs except via them reading its WDTU SQL databases.
I think it depends on whether we're talking about loop or archive packets. When Davis talk about 'logging' they tend to be referring to archive data. So although the loop data packet formats were designed with space for 8 extra T/H values (and indeed the VP2 console is able to receive and display 8 such values), for some reason - available processing capacity in the loop cycle? - the archive data packets have space only for 2 such xT/H values. The DLL is presumably looking at the loop packets.
I've never really looked at loop packets with 3 or more xT/H transmitters installed. It's conceivable that the data is there for the extra sensors. And even if not, then it's not inconceivable that a future new standard console type, perhaps with a faster CPU or more memory, could have the capability to populate the missing fields in a new archive format.
And then there's also the Envoy8x of course, which does already have the capacity to log 8 T/H sensors, although not in any way that's currently accessible to third-party programs except via them reading its WDTU SQL databases.
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- steve
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Re: Extra sensors
Always too much to do, Brad But it just seems like something that's obviously "missing".MackerelSky wrote:Not enough to do this week? lol
Yes, I'll be sure to add web tags for them all.If you could include webtags
Steve
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Re: Extra sensors
Thanks, John. I think that as the DLL and LOOP packets allow for 8 I may as well attempt to read 8, since I have to do 10 for the OS stations.prodata wrote:So for the time being you would probably be safe with 3+2. But it's not inconceivable that a future new standard console type, perhaps with a faster CPU or more memory, could have the capability to populate the missing fields.
Steve
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Re: Extra sensors
Hi all,
New user here, but had my eye on Cumulus for some time.
For me I cannot make the jump without adding support for the Davis VP2 extra sensors, in my case a fully loaded soil moisture station.
I know from other post some users want the extra sensors addition.
So my question to Steve is; how much of a donation would it take to jump start this development
Cheeky I know but you got to try!
New user here, but had my eye on Cumulus for some time.
For me I cannot make the jump without adding support for the Davis VP2 extra sensors, in my case a fully loaded soil moisture station.
I know from other post some users want the extra sensors addition.
So my question to Steve is; how much of a donation would it take to jump start this development
Cheeky I know but you got to try!
- steve
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Re: Extra sensors
Thank you, but it's more a case of finding the time and having the desire to do more (major) work on Cumulus. At the moment I have very little of either. But I'm sure this won't always be the case, and 'extra sensors' are quite high on the priority list.Emjay wrote:So my question to Steve is; how much of a donation would it take to jump start this development
Steve
- ken524
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Re: Extra sensors
Any update on the "Extra Sensors" project for the Davis VP? I just added a temp sensor for our pool and would love a webtag for it.
Thanks again for the great software!
Ken
Thanks again for the great software!
Ken
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- steve
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Re: Extra sensors
It's still fairly high up on the list of things to do. Unfortunately I've had very little time for Cumulus development over the last few months, but hopefully this will change before too long.
Steve
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Re: Extra sensors
Steve,steve wrote: I'm a little confused by how many of each type of sensor I need to cater for. The Davis DLL allows me to read the following 'live' data...
The most current version of WeatherLink provides tags for
3 extra temp, 2 extra humidity, 4 soil moisture, 4 soil temp, 2 leaf wetness, 2 leaf temp
If you supported those, you would at least match the functionality of WeatherLink.
BTW, I just upgraded to the latest Cumulus and love the new look and changes. I was about 3 releases behind.
Thanks!
Ken
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- ken524
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Re: Extra sensors
I completely understand and am very grateful for what you have done!steve wrote:It's still fairly high up on the list of things to do. Unfortunately I've had very little time for Cumulus development over the last few months, but hopefully this will change before too long.
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Re: Extra sensors
Can Cumulus currently display information from a second ISS or would this be "extra sensors"?
Duke
Duke
- steve
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Re: Extra sensors
You can only connect one ISS to a Davis station, so a second ISS would have to be on a separate station, and Cumulus can only drive one station at a time, so the second station/ISS would require a second instance of Cumulus running.duke wrote:Can Cumulus currently display information from a second ISS or would this be "extra sensors"?
Steve
Re: Extra sensors
steve wrote:You can only connect one ISS to a Davis station, so a second ISS would have to be on a separate station, and Cumulus can only drive one station at a time, so the second station/ISS would require a second instance of Cumulus running.duke wrote:Can Cumulus currently display information from a second ISS or would this be "extra sensors"?
I assumed (incorrectly) that it was possible to use a second ISS as temp / humidity sensor only.
Thanks for putting me straight.
Duke