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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:52 pm 
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Interesting Gina; I may do something similar when the weather improves.
Incidentally what have you set the multiplier (or strictly speaking divisor) in Cumulus to in order to calibrate?
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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:04 pm 
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I have the rain multiplier set to 0.33. Sometime I want to get a measuring cylinder and take manual readings to compare. The catchment area is about 4 times the original and I've included a factor of 30% low standard reading from what those who've made manual measurements have found. This gives 0.33 or one third rather than a quarter. I think the right value will probably be between 0.25 and 0.33.

One thing I've noticed is that changing the "multiplier" does not change previous data so you can change your rain gauge and the multiplier (at the same time) and everything will be fine :) Good thinking Steve :)

BTW - the"Rain" reading is actually snow melt.

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:14 pm 
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Gina wrote:
BTW - the"Rain" reading is actually snow melt.


Which is why I have changed most of my stuff to read precipitation rather than rain.

The heater seems to work well, will make a separate post with details as soon as I get a few minutes.

Only thing I did find was that loading the unit with snow, all the snow melted from on it but no rain reading, think the slow melt must have meant it evaporated before reaching the mechanism. We have had some more snow, and some sleet and it seems to measure these fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:00 am 
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That snow melt today was from natural thawing - I haven't built my heater/thermostat unit yet - waiting for some parts. I don't think it will want much heat. My thermostat and heater runs off 12v and uses an NTC bead thermistor as temperature sensor with a 741 op-amp used as a comparator, to switch current on and off in a ceramic resistor. I'll post the circuit diagram tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:38 am 
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What value resistor you going for, I have found my 8 ohm ceramic running from an old 5v power supply gives plenty of heat (just over 3W).

I reckon for places regularly hitting -10 probably 6W would be the aim, I would split that over two resistors.

One thing I haven't needed is temperature control, mine is effectively under proportional control using my PC and home automation stuff and only comes on for part of each hour depending how cold it is.

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:33 pm 
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RCE wrote:
What value resistor you going for, I have found my 8 ohm ceramic running from an old 5v power supply gives plenty of heat (just over 3W).

I'm using a 33 ohm ceramic resistor which will give about 4W (with 12v supply).

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:43 pm 
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As a matter of interest, found this on the Austrailian BOM site.

They do like to simplify things ;)

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Snow Intensity

Light:Gives a water equivalent of up to 2 mm per hour.

Moderate:Gives a water equivalent of 2.2 mm to 6 mm per hour.

Heavy:Gives a water equivalent of more than 6 mm per hour.


Maybe they only have one 'kind' of snow :?

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:53 pm 
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beteljuice wrote:
As a matter of interest, found this on the Austrailian BOM site.

They do like to simplify things ;)

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Snow Intensity

Light:Gives a water equivalent of up to 2 mm per hour.

Moderate:Gives a water equivalent of 2.2 mm to 6 mm per hour.

Heavy:Gives a water equivalent of more than 6 mm per hour.


Maybe they only have one 'kind' of snow :?


Maybe never even seen snow ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:42 pm 
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Thermostat/heater circuit diagram attached :) The thermistor is a NTC type and obtained from Maplin. The resistance quoted is at 25C. At around zero (freezing) it is 50K for this one. The variable resistor sets the temperature at which the heater switches on. The 270K resistor provides some hysteresis so that it switches cleanly and doesn't switch on and off too frequently. Without hysteresis, the transistor in series with the heater resistor, would turn on gradually and dissipate too much heat and fail.


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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:51 pm 
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Thought I would report how things went as we had a bit of snow yesterday... heater was a great success :)

I recorded 5.7mm of precipitation yesterday, with another 0.3mm overnight.

I keep an eye on another private weather station near me, his station showed 0mm yesterday and 6mm today coinciding with a quick thaw starting (we haven't had any rain today).

Well chuffed.

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:11 pm 
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Great :) :)

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:54 pm 
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I expect you all know this already but just in case, 1mm of water = approx. 1 cm snow. According to a science programme I was watching, volume of snow is 8% water. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
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nking wrote:
I expect you all know this already but just in case, 1mm of water = approx. 1 cm snow. According to a science programme I was watching, volume of snow is 8% water. ;)


No way did we have 6cm of snow, more like 2cm.

Precipitation is all I need to know, it covers my needs hence I have renamed rain to precipitation on most of my web pages:-

"In meteorology, precipitation is any product of the condensation of atmospheric water vapor that is pulled down by gravity and deposited on the Earth's surface"

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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:00 am 
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Here is the 'Estimating The Water Equivalent Of Snow' chart I saved a couple of years ago...


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 Post subject: Re: Rain sensor with snow.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:32 am 
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Well for the temps we see Ray's data seems to bear out what I saw on TV... I guess you may of had Sleet :?

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