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 Post subject: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:18 am 
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Is there any reason why the view of the moon appears to be the wrong way around. I see the moon is curerently a waxing crescent, which suggests that viewable part of the moon should be on the earth's eastern side. However, Cumulus shows it on the left hand side.

Is there a reason for this?

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:10 am 
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Please supply your coordinates as put into Cumulus. This may be your problem. With these two pieces of information we can help.

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:12 am 
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Because your're wrong :?

Current Moon for general Northern hemisphere is
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You don't give your location, but if the Moon is the 'wrong way round' it is usually because you have not correctly entered your N/S latitude in Cumulus set-up.

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:27 am 
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I think there is a bug in the program. My location is in Australia, so my lat & long are S & E in my home location. As you guys are in the northern hemisphere, I decided to change my location from S & E to N & E. Hey presto, the moon appears correctly.

Now, I have to ask the question, why does the program change the way the moon faces depending on your hemisphere location. Surely the waxing crescent is on the east side (right side) no matter which hemishpere you live in.

For me downunder, I think the program makes an incorrect assumption of our the moon appears in the southern sky.

Laurie


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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:47 am 
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Beetlejuice is right.
In your Cumulus set up, just make sure it has N for north
Also, if you are in England (or there abouts), just after the sun sets, you will see Venus between the sun and the moon. Directly under Venus will be Mercury and on the ENE side will have Jupiter rising. This is the closest Jupiter gets these couple of days (until Dec 2012).
.....just found out something interesting, will post new topic.

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:28 am 
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For me downunder, I think the program makes an incorrect assumption of our the moon appears in the southern sky.
There are MANY Aus and NZ users who don't have a problem, and yes the Moon is transposed between hemispheres.

Have you done the 'double whammy' of declaring South and then entering a negative latitude ?
The figure entered should only be positive.

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:10 am 
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Zebra400 wrote:
I think there is a bug in the program. My location is in Australia, so my lat & long are S & E in my home location. As you guys are in the northern hemisphere, I decided to change my location from S & E to N & E. Hey presto, the moon appears correctly.

Now, I have to ask the question, why does the program change the way the moon faces depending on your hemisphere location. Surely the waxing crescent is on the east side (right side) no matter which hemishpere you live in.

For me downunder, I think the program makes an incorrect assumption of our the moon appears in the southern sky.

Laurie

When you are in the Northern Hemisphere, the moon looks ofset to the left, which show the reflection on the right side of the moon. As you move from North to South the reflection rotates around from the right, underneath, then to the left. As for me, 12 degree's south, I get a big smiley face :D . I have a programme I have found that you can put coordinates in and view the planets, moon and stars (constallations) from anywhere in the world at anytime, measure distances, view the solar system with Earth or any other planet as the centre location or zoom in and out of the whole solar system, spin it etc. It's fantastic. Would you like to know when we are closest to our closest planet? When the planets will align?
If your interested in seeing the solar system to scale, not by planet size (which is common), but by distance as well (an amazing feat you'll discover), then you can visit my Google maps page here: http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=203742770333188884005.00045d47429c3c992c3a0&msa=0&ll=-12.478565,130.974712&spn=0.057489,0.076818.
Just think of this when you visit, Earth, at a scale of 1 billion to 1, is under 12.8mm in diameter.

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:10 am 
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Are we to assume:

  1. The coordinates were correctly entered.
  2. The Moon was being shown in it's correct orientation.
  3. Zebra400 doesn't look up at The Moon :?

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:04 am 
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Location: Wairoa, Hawkes Bay. New Zealand.
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I decided to change my location from S & E to N & E. Hey presto, the moon appears correctly.


Well that be weird. If I do this the moon swings around and faces the incorrect way.
As above have said, make sure lat and Long are correct with no negative sign.
Should be S and E and all should be fine.
It is not the program it is something you have set incorrect.
Check you have the time zone correct on your PC plus the time am or pm.
Maybe set on Greenland is not helping..... lol just joking.
Something is screwing it for sure.

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c) Zebra400 doesn't look up at The Moon :?

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:05 am 
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3 years latter (from the last post on this) Ive Googled, read these forums and I do believe Laurie is onto something.
Looking at his site, it still show's the moon the wrong way round.

.. and I'm having the same issue. (Unless I stand upside down)

In the Latitude [deg] section us Southerners can't insert an -ve number. Cumulus won't allow it.
Changing the Latitude from N to S Fixes the Moon Problem - BUT -

The day length is now screwed.. Instead of the days getting shorter this time of year they aren't.


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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:31 am 
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Please could you attach a screenshot of your station settings screen (or at least the 'location' panel), and copy and paste the latitude and longitude lines from cumulus.ini, e.g.

Latitude=59.2425
Longitude=-2.58777777777778

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:40 pm 
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In New Zealand, never had (and stil don't) have a problem - once that is that I put Deg Min Sec & S and E in the settings screen.
The .ini file entry I never touched but it was created by the original setup and has both decimal degrees and Deg,Min,Sec entries.

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 Post subject: Re: Position of Moon on Cumulus
PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:02 am 
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chook wrote:
3 years latter (from the last post on this) Ive Googled, read these forums and I do believe Laurie is onto something.
Looking at his site, it still show's the moon the wrong way round.

.. and I'm having the same issue. (Unless I stand upside down)

In the Latitude [deg] section us Southerners can't insert an -ve number. Cumulus won't allow it.
Changing the Latitude from N to S Fixes the Moon Problem - BUT -

The day length is now screwed.. Instead of the days getting shorter this time of year they aren't.

"Changing the Lat from N to S" is not fixing the problem, that's what it is meant to be, which is different to what Laurie is saying, he is saying he has to change from S to N to fix the moon picture when all three of us are in the southern hemisphere. To be clear, I have put in correct co-ords of S and E and the moon appears correctly (waxing to the right with a 10 day old moon at 77% illumination) AND also showing that daylight is getting shorter (as it will until the Winter Solstice in June). So it may be the version you have of Cumulus (although I've never noticed a problem upgrading through the versions) and is your computer clock set to the correct month? And looking at Laurie's post I don't see a link to a website to check. Do you have one?

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