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 Post subject: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:11 pm 
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What does Cumulus use to forecast "Precipitation likely"?

Situation -- we're now setting new records for "longest dry period" (since 2004). Each day, Cumulus shows "precipitation likely".

I ask because we have a wild fire close by and I'm wondering if the smoke in the valley is confusing the forecast. Or is it something else that is the predictor for Cumulus.

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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:49 pm 
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Location: Sanday, Orkney
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It uses a simple calculation based on a device called a "Zambretti Forecaster". Basically, all it uses is the pressure trend and the wind direction.

See http://wiki.sandaysoft.com/a/FAQ#Cumulus_got_the_forecast_wrong.21

Edit: I've just realised you have a Davis station. Are you actually using the Cumulus forecast or the Davis one (Forecast panel in the station settings)?

Edit2: I looked at your web site, and you're using the Davis forecast, so ignore everything I've said. Cumulus is getting the forecast from your station; I don't know what algorithm it uses.

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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:18 pm 
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I'll switch back to Cumulus Forecast. I had it originally and can't remember why I went back to Davis.

Thanks, Steve. I'll let you know if I still see the "precip likely".

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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:19 pm 
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lklawrie wrote:
I'll switch back to Cumulus Forecast.

I'd be surprised if you get better results from that. But you never know.

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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:04 pm 
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Yea, it still thinks there might be rain later. We would like that, a LOT! But I don't think it's going to. That is, with the Cumulus/Zabretti forecast, it still thinks it might rain.

I remember why I switched -- the Zabretti verbage (e.g., Settled Fine) -- no one understands.

They understand the Davis verbage better.

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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:13 pm 
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You can change the Cumulus forecasts using strings.ini; but I still think you'll get better results from the Davis forecasts.

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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:35 pm 
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Okay. I'll switch back to Davis.

Interesting that both predicted rain -- just wish they were right!

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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:33 pm 
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The brief research I did on what Davis uses for forecasting suggests that it is "based" on Zambretti.

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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:17 am 
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lklawrie wrote:
The brief research I did on what Davis uses for forecasting suggests that it is "based" on Zambretti.
Linda, I do not know where you might have gotten that information, but I doubt very much that Davis Instruments is/has been using the Zambretti algorithm to produce their weather forecast - it is based on the barometric reading and trend, wind speed and direction, rainfall, temperature, humidity, latitude and longitude, and time of year - it contain some 200 different forecast rules (document included). ;)


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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:42 pm 
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gemini06720 wrote:
lklawrie wrote:
The brief research I did on what Davis uses for forecasting suggests that it is "based" on Zambretti.
Linda, I do not know where you might have gotten that information, but I doubt very much that Davis Instruments is/has been using the Zambretti algorithm to produce their weather forecast - it is based on the barometric reading and trend, wind speed and direction, rainfall, temperature, humidity, latitude and longitude, and time of year - it contain some 200 different forecast rules (document included). ;)


I've been looking for something like that for ages, but there's no way there's over 200 different ones.

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Partly cloudy with little temperature change.


That is in the list over 40 times.
And other ones are repeated numerous times too.


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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:57 pm 
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Mapantz wrote:
I've been looking for something like that for ages, but there's no way there's over 200 different ones.


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 Post subject: Re: "Precipition likely?"
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I cannot believe Mark that you had so much time available that you counted the number on dissimilar lines... :D

It is my understanding that those lines (they can be read from the internal Vantage Pro2 console) are part of a 200 elements array composed of maybe 5-10 groups, thus similar lines used for different forecasts.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:50 pm 
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A cut'n'paste into Excel - took about 30 seconds :lol:

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